Born Again and Unborn Again

(My Conversion & Deconversion)

In this article, I’ll recount the story of my own religious journey, up through my “deconversion”. I’m sharing this story for three reasons:

  1. It provides, I think, useful context to help readers understand my own perspectives.
  2. I personally find others’ deconversion stories to be interesting.  Many are similar, but many others follow different paths before being willing and able to let go of the religious beliefs that they were indoctrinated with. So, under the presumption that some others will find my story interesting, I’ll offer it here.
  3. Millions of people leave the ranks of the religious every year.  In my own path, I struggled in the end, with the very real stigma that believers ascribe to atheists, believing us to be immoral or otherwise defective in some way.  I’ve gotten over that, but I think that hearing other people’s stories can help those struggling with their own deconversions… not unlike (I suspect) the struggles of LGBT folks coming out of the closet.

So here’s my story:

I was born into a Catholic family (the sixth of eight sons), so I was raised Catholic, which included a number of typical and some not-so-typical activities:

  1. Attending mass every Sunday (and more frequently during some seasons such as Advent).
  2. Attending a Catholic elementary school for grades 1-8.  
  3. Within school, belonging to the Dominic Savio club.  For those of you not familiar with it, Dominic was an Italian boy who died at age 14, in 1857, and was later canonized as a saint, for having lived a particularly holy life.  The objective of the club was to encourage us to emulate Dominic.
  4. Serving as an Altar Boy.  I started this just prior to the phase out of the Latin Mass in the United States, so I learned all the Latin prayers and responses, and served in Latin Masses, then within just a few months, we switched over to the English Mass.
  5. We lived across the street from the church, so it was common for the priests to ask me and/or my brothers for help on various things.  New missals would be published each month, which contained the text for the weekly masses.  The priests would usually ask us to put them out, paying us 50 cents or so (a lot of money for us back then) for doing it.  On Friday evenings, all the priests went out to dinner at a local restaurant, and they’d have one of us house sit – which consisted of sitting in one of their recliners watching their color TV (we had black & white at home), and taking messages if anyone came to the door or called (nobody ever did). We also got paid a couple bucks for doing that. I’ll note that I was fortunate to NOT be among those who were victimized by pedophile priests.  We were always treated well, though a bit gruffly by some.  As far as I know, the same is true for my brothers.
  6. My three oldest brothers all went to a seminary boarding school for high school, though only one finished high school there, and the other two transferred out – one of them the middle of the same school year, and the other at the end of that year. Had they continued that path, and actually become priests, there’s a fair likelihood that I would have followed in their footsteps. But I, as with the rest of my brothers, all attended local high schools.  The one respect that many of us did follow their lead on, was taking Latin as our foreign language elective.

Then in my mid-teens, as many do, I began to question my religious beliefs.  I had issues in particular with some matters of Catholic doctrine.  In the Catholic Church, any teaching that is declared to be “doctrine” is one that (according to the Church) Catholics are required to believe.  A couple of those issues that I recall were:

  1. Catholic doctrine holds that Mary was a virgin her entire life.  The Bible, of course, makes no such mention of that.  In fact the Bible has multiple mentions of Jesus’ siblings. The Church explains that the words for “brother”, etc. was often used to refer also to cousins. But I didn’t understand what basis the Church had for choosing that interpretation, or why they thought it was important that Mary never had sexual relations with her husband.  And it seemed to be extremely unlikely.
  2. Catholic doctrine also holds that when a Catholic takes communion, the bread and wine LITERALLY change into respectively, the flesh and blood of Jesus (a process known as transubstantiation).  Aside from the bizarre cannibalistic nature of that transformation, it also seemed that a figurative interpretation of Jesus’ words (“This is my body” and “This is my blood”) made far more sense theologically – i.e. that we were receiving Jesus’ spirit.

And with my doubts as to these matters of doctrine, the natural tendency is to begin to question other matters of faith. After all, if the Church is wrong about these things, how can I trust any of it?  I spoke to my mother about my doubts, and after some discussion, I decided (with her blessing) to check out some Protestant denominations.  The first one I chose was the Congregational United Church of Christ, chosen for two mundane reasons – it was close to home (not across the street, but 1 ½ blocks away), and I knew someone who went there.

The Congregational/UCC are among the least doctrinal of Protestant churches, so that made it an excellent fit for me.  And it turned out that I knew several other kids my age there.  The congregation was welcoming, so I didn’t look any further.  I left the Catholic Church and joined the Congregational Church.

The first summer I was there (I was about 16), a few college students who were home for the summer started up a “coffee house” in the church basement as an evening activity (once a week, I think).  They were “born again” Christians, and talked all about what it was, what it meant, etc.

I’d never heard about being born again, or having a relationship with Jesus before. The message was very appealing to me, and I was hooked.  I became a born again Christian.  I studied the Bible daily, and would talk routinely to the difference Jesus made in my life.  I accepted the Bible as the literal, inerrant Word of God.  That included, among other things, believing in Young Earth Creationism. I actually went through the genealogies in the Bible, and calculated the age of the universe for myself, to be around 6000 years old.

The first significant chink in my born again-ness happened at age 19, when I was in college, pursuing my first degree (in Sociology).  I shared a dorm room with two other students.  One of them, Mike, belonged to the Worldwide Church of God.  It’s (or at least was) a rather odd denomination.  They claimed to be the ONE TRUE Christian denomination.  They observed the Saturday Sabbath, and the overall set of Jewish Law.  They also rejected the notion of the Trinity.  They claimed that their beliefs were based on a literal interpretation of the Bible.

My big epiphany came one afternoon, while sitting up in my bed (the upper bunk on a bunk bed).  Mike was there having a religious debate with a Baptist girl who had stopped by. 

Uncharacteristically, I kept my mouth shut and listened.  I felt very much like I was at a tennis match, as the Bible quotes flew furiously back and forth across the room between them… (“Yes, but in John blah blah blah, it says, “blah blah blah”).  Each of them claimed to be interpreting the Bible literally.  Each was intelligent, and as far as I could tell, was sincere in their desire to find truth in the Bible.  And each of them had VERY different literal interpretations from my own literal interpretation. 

I realized immediately that we three represented just a tiny sample of the likely range of “literal interpretations” of the Bible.  So I concluded that it would be more than a little arrogant to decide that of all the people who had these widely varying interpretations, I was smarter than them, and/or more sincere than them in looking for truth, and/or had prayed more fervently for inspiration, and/or was singled out by God to be given the truth.

From that, I further concluded that humans can’t know with any confidence what the correct interpretation of the Bible is.  Many million of Christians are convinced they’ve got the answer, but they’re all over the map on their answers. CLEARLY, their confidence in their respective answers is wholly unreliable.

I didn’t abandon most of my beliefs.  I still believed in God the creator, and Jesus as a personal savior, but I abandoned the notion that anyone could interpret the Bible literally with any confidence.

After graduation (with my degree in Sociology and a Business minor), I worked as a retail buyer for several years, until at age 25, then realizing that it was NOT my niche.  I knew I needed to do something more technical in nature.  At the time, in the early 80’s, I was a huge fan of Carl Sagan’s Cosmos series, and subscribed to Omni magazine (which was a combination of science and science fiction stories).  Through those sources, I had developed a strong interest in Physics, so I went back to school to get a Physics degree.  I planned at the time to get a Physics PhD, though I later (upon completing the Bachelors degree), vectored off into Engineering, which is where I spent the next 34 years, prior to retirement.

In any case, this academic journey had the side effect of learning that our universe was not some 6000 years old, but rather billions of years old, and that once the big bang happened, the formation of galaxies, stars, planets, etc. occurred naturally, as a result of just a few basic forces of nature, acting on the matter and energy in the universe.  I couldn’t rule out a creator as first cause, but it was apparent that no “hand of God” was needed after the Big Bang to create our Earth.

While I didn’t formally study biology, I read enough of it, to learn that the evidence is irrefutable that all life on Earth evolved from simple life forms over billions of years.  As with the Big Bang, we don’t yet know how the first life originated, but we know that the “hand of God” was not needed thereafter to create humankind.

So … at that point I was left with the belief that we had a god as a first-cause for the Big Bang and the first life on Earth.  I also believed that God actively cared about mankind, and that the core elements of Christian theology were still true.  But while I rejected the theological elements that I knew were false, I didn’t really spend any significant time – for years, thinking about the rest of them.  Mostly I was preoccupied with my career and my young family, and didn’t spend much time pondering theology.  And, I think in hindsight, that they were uncomfortable questions for me.  I didn’t want to give up my faith. I still (for a time) attended church regularly, and prayed routinely, etc, believing in a God who cared about the world and about me personally.

The last straw for me came in my early 50’s, after my mother (who was still a devout Catholic) was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s.  Obviously I was well aware that millions of people have suffered and died from the ravages of that disease and many other diseases.  But with her diagnosis it became personal, and I could no longer reconcile it with the notion of a loving, just, merciful God. So when I finally REALLY thought about it, I understood that Christians suffer and die with equal frequency from all manner of horrible diseases, in spite of any amount of prayer.

So clearly God isn’t intervening on matters of life or death.  I retrospectively looked at times in the past when I thought I had seen his involvement in my life and concluded that those were all the products of selective interpretation and wishful thinking. Like millions of other Christians, when good things happened, it was “praise God!”  When bad things happened, “God has a plan.” While I had seen positive changes in my behavior, there was nothing miraculous about them.  There were things in my behavior that I didn’t like, and wanted to change.  Yes, I prayed for help in changing them, but I’m the one who changed them – because I wanted to badly enough, and because they weren’t that hard to change.  There were other (harder) things I wanted to change and prayed to change, that didn’t change.  And ALWAYS in those past examples, when I changed for the better, God got the credit.  When I didn’t change, I took the blame. 

Being god under those ground rules is a pretty damned good gig.

So to summarize, I finally came to the following conclusions on the existence/role of God:

  • A personal god, who cares about humankind and is actively involved in our lives: All objective evidence says no.
  • A god who used special creation, to create all species on Earth: This is clearly false. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming and irrefutable.
  • A god who commanded the galaxies, stars, planets, etc. into existence. This is also clearly false. Physics has a pretty good understanding of how our universe formed after the Big Bang.
  • A god as first cause in the Big Bang and/or the origination of life on Earth. While I can’t rule it out, I’ll say that I think it’s extremely unlikely. There’s no evidence for a supernatural cause, and given the absolute lack of objective evidence for a god (any god), the smart money says that these had natural causes. We don’t yet understand them, but science gets closer every year. Conclusions of God as first-cause are just intellectual laziness, and are classic examples of the “god of the gaps”

So in conclusion, while I don’t know for certain that there’s no god, I’ve seen no objective evidence for one, let alone compelling evidence. In the absence of such evidence, I believe that the likelihood of god(s) existing is extremely low (a “6” on the Dawkins scale).

Overview

This blog is a compilation of essays that are directly aimed at answering the most common arguments of Christian apologists.

My focus on the Christian religion(s) is for two reasons:

  1. Having been raised Christian, and been a Christian for most of my life, it is the one religion that I have substantial direct knowledge of.
  2. As the dominant religion in the US, Christianity invariably takes a prominent position in US politics and current affairs.  Hence it is naturally of greater practical interest (in the US) than are the various minority religions.

I referred to the “Christian religion(s)” in the above paragraph because Christianity is clearly NOT a homogenous religion.  According to a current search on Wikipedia, there are currently over 200 distinct Christian denominations, with widely varying theology. Multiple denominations claim they are the “True Christians”, declaring either implicitly or explicitly, that all others are NOT true Christians.

About Me

Hi! My name is Rich Prendergast. Like many other atheists, I’m a deconverted Christian. I was born an atheist (as is everyone), raised Catholic, and in my mid-teens, left the Catholic Church for a Protestant denomination (Congregational United Church of Christ) and shortly thereafter, became a “Born Again Christian”. I became “Unborn Again” in my early 50’s. I describe my deconversion in https://unapologetics.org/2020/01/16/born-again-and-unborn-again-my-conversion-deconversion/

Views are my own. I will offer special thanks to a few prominent atheists & agnostics, most notably (though not limited to) Carl Sagan, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, and Matt Dillahunty, each of whose work has helped inform and shape my own perspectives. Readers may recognize some of their influences in my writings.

Education:

  • B.S. Sociology, Illinois State University, 1977.
  • B.S. Physics, Bradley University, 1983.
  • M.S. Systems Engineering, Texas Tech University, 1995.

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Irrationality of Christian Theology

In my debates with Christians, I sometimes discuss my opinion that, when read objectively, the Bible and Christian theology make no rational sense. Some examples:

  1. God sacrificed his son (who is also himself) to himself, as the means of absolving the sins of many billions of humans, past, present, and future. Jesus died, went to hell, and was resurrected 3 days later. So, he suffered for about a day, and then gave up a weekend, in exchange for all of God’s other children gaining eternal life. While crucifixion, by all accounts, is a horrible way to die, it pales in comparison to the prolonged suffering of many of God’s other children (e.g. many cancer victims).

    The supposed need for the sacrifice was because “The wages of sin is death.” … SOMEBODY had to die, in order to wash away our sins, and Jesus (aka God) died so we wouldn’t have to (though of course we still do, at least physically). But (per Christians theology) God made all the rules, but is not bound by those rules. So why couldn’t god just send Jesus (i.e. himself) down for a visit, teaching all the stuff he wanted to teach, and then go directly back to Heaven?

    Even the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 24:16) declares that one may only be punished for their own crimes.

16 Parents shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their parents; only for their own crimes may persons be put to death.

In short:

  • The sacrifice was trivial, compared to the enormity of what was attained in return.
  • Punishment by proxy is inconsistent with any reasonable concept of justice, and with the Old Testament teachings, and therefore with claims that God is just.
  • Worse yet, God punishing himself, to enable OUR salvation is positively absurd.
  1. The very concept of the Trinity – One God in three persons/entities (i.e. 1=3 in mathematical terms). Even theologians don’t REALLY understand what that means. And of course, there are some Christian denominations that reject the concept of the Trinity, arguing (with strong Biblical support) that the Trinity is essentially veiled polytheism. Trinitarian’s response to Unitarians is the “No true Scotsman” fallacy – “They’re not really Christians if they don’t accept Jesus’ divinity.”
  2. The entire creation myth, which has been overwhelmingly disproved by science. We KNOW that the universe is some 14 billion years old, and that life on Earth evolved from simple forms to the diversity and complexity we have today. We do NOT yet know what caused the big bang, nor do we know how life originated on Earth. But science is getting closer by the year, in answering those very difficult questions, and the smart money says that these questions will one day be answered, and NOT by the “god of the gaps” explanation. So while I won’t claim that science has disproved the notion of a god as first-cause, for either the big bang, or the origins of life on Earth, it HAS disproved all the rest of the Genesis creation account. I’ll talk to this in more detail one day, in another post.
  3. The Great Flood myth, that is absurd for countless reasons, such as:
    • Where did all the water come from?
    • Where did all the water go?
    • How did animals get from remote continents and return to them?
    • How did all the animals fit on the ark?
    • How did the ark hold sufficient food (for a year) for all the animals?
    • How did just a few people feed, water, and clean up after all those animals every day?
    • How did freshwater fish and saltwater fish survive in the same oceans?
  4. The story of Joshua, in which the sun and moon stood still for a about day, so Joshua could continue his attacks. We know this could only happen if the Earth suddenly stopped rotating on its axis, then resumed about a day later. The Earth spins at a rate of about 1000 mph at the equator. It doesn’t take a genius to imagine all sorts of cataclysmic side effects from suddenly stopping (or starting) that rotation (massive earthquakes, tsunamis, etc.). And there would be geologic evidence of it. Christians at this point will now respond with “The whole thing was a miracle. God could EASILY have prevented all those side effects.” And while its impossible to argue against that claim, there’s another big problem. There’s no mention of the sun and moon stopping, by any other contemporaneous civilization. It’s a safe bet that folks would have noticed this. It would have been a REALLY big deal, and they’d have written about it.
  5. And there are a number of internal contradictions within the Bible, such as:
    • Jesus’ last words (“It is finished”, “Father, Into thy hands I commend my spirit.” or “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?”)
    • The manner of Judas’ death (by hanging or from a fall?)

Many Christians recognize that most/all of these stories can’t be literally true. though even that group, for the most part, accepts the doctrine of the Trinity (Unitarians excepted), as well as the theology surrounding Jesus’ sacrifice as atonement for our sins. But Biblical literalists insist that they MUST be true, because (they say) the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. And this latter group dismisses any and all evidence that stands in the way of their literal interpretation of the Bible. As proof that the Bible is the word of God, they point to (you guessed it) the Bible, which explicitly states that it’s the Word of God. In other words, in a classic example of circular logic:

On numerous occasions, when I’ve pointed out the irrationality of various Bible verses/stories, the believer’s response has been something like “You can’t understand the Bible, because you’re not a believer. You need to have the Holy Spirit to understand the Bible.” With this statement, they’re implicitly agreeing that the verses/stories actually ARE irrational, since reason alone cannot make sense of these verses/stories.

That same argument has also been frequently used by believers in discussions about why we should become Christians. When I’ve pressed them as to why I should become a Christian, when the Bible has so many irrational parts, the usual response is that I must take a leap of faith – i.e. choose to believe in spite of the nonsense, receive the Holy Spirit, and THEN it will all make sense to me.

So then I ask, “But why should I choose Christianity, of all the thousands of world religions (or none), in which to take that leap of faith?” To this question they have no real answer, other than going back to arguments about why the Bible is true, pointing to fulfilled prophecies (a topic I’ll defer for another time), etc. Or they argue that we should choose Christianity, because Christianity is a unique religion, to which I reply that by definition, EVERY religion is unique in one way or another. This leads to the response that Christianity is MORE unique than the rest – which is clearly debatable, and is irrelevant in any case, since uniqueness is no measure of truth.

I’m not trying to single out Christianity as being any less rational than other religions. I focus on it, because it’s the one I was raised in, and that I therefore understand. Based on my limited understanding of a few other religions, I have no reason to believe that Christianity is unique in its irrationality.